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« on: November 11, 2007, 08:16:46 PM »

Well I decided to suggest archery for Shartak as it makes sense and bows are cool.

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Bow-
Found in native camps.
Base accuracy: 20%
Damage: 4
Requires arrows to fire.
Can't be preloaded, firing costs 2AP.

Crossbow-
Found in outsider camps and the shipwreck.
Base accuracy: 25%
Damage: 4
Requires bolts to fire.
Loading costs 2AP (string is hard to draw back) and firing costs 1AP.

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Archery- Increase accuracy with a bo or crossbow by 15%
Advanced Archery- Increase accuracy with a bow or crossbow by 15%

This would mean that they wouldn't be as powerful or as accurate as the rifle or blowpipe but more so than the melee weapons. But they require ammunition and more AP use.

What do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2007, 08:26:13 PM »

Make the crossbow more powerful, since for the most part they were, and also to counterbalance the additional cost. Pretty good, though...
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2007, 08:50:30 PM »

This does sound nice, though an extra AP to use for only a 5% increase in accuracy doesn't fit well.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2007, 09:05:53 PM »

I really don't see the benefit of it. Even with the full 50% accuracy you're never likely to do more than around 40 damage in a single attack, when you consider movement to your target and double AP for firing.

The only ranged weapon needed is the pirate's pistol.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2007, 09:28:37 PM »

you're never likely to do more than around 40 damage in a single attack

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Edit: *Clears throat.* Forty...points...of damage...in ONE ATTACK?! And I thought the heavy sword had a high damage-to-AP ratio.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2007, 09:31:02 PM »

Can you use some words next time Mark? Even if that's supposed to be morse code it clearly doesn't say very much.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2007, 09:34:25 PM »

depending on the weight of arrows and amount of AP you might get 60 damage in an attack.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2007, 10:12:22 PM »

depending on the weight of arrows and amount of AP you might get 60 damage in an attack.
In ONE attack? 
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2007, 11:13:10 PM »

So an attack now means a single hit...

In that case, were there 150,000 D-Day invasions?
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2007, 11:14:34 PM »

I don't like the idea of the crossbow in-game. Historically speaking, it went out of vogue well before the time of European colonization. The pistol would be a more appropriate weapon.

The bow is thematic. Would its skill tree be available to all natives?
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2007, 11:32:00 PM »

Make the crossbow more powerful, since for the most part they were, and also to counterbalance the additional cost. Pretty good, though...

No, they were not. You are misinformed. Crossbows became popular with levy troops due to the fact that less training / skill was required. A longbow contemporary with medieval / Renaissance crossbows was significantly more powerful at piercing armour and had greater range. Composite bows also offered significant advantages.

Now if you want to talk bows in the jungle, that's a different matter entirely. You can start with rotting bowstrings and corroded metal parts.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2007, 04:28:48 AM »

Awesome.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2007, 06:06:12 AM »

Now if you want to talk bows in the jungle, that's a different matter entirely. You can start with rotting bowstrings and corroded metal parts.
Because rifles stand up any better?

I am under the impression that Shartak rifles are of the lock, stock, and shock variety. The main reason colonial troops were trained to use them was because it was feared natives would be able to use crossbows as easily as their own weapons due to similar mechanics. Even today they are banned in many places where you can easily buy assault rifles and machine pistols.

It shouldn't be more difficult to load a crossbow than any twin barrel rifle. Ten 2 AP 50% 4 HP attacks don't compare to twenty 1 AP 45% 3 HP attacks (7 HP less not counting Balanced stance and arrows).
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2007, 08:12:38 AM »

I really don't see the benefit of it. Even with the full 50% accuracy you're never likely to do more than around 40 damage in a single attack, when you consider movement to your target and double AP for firing.


I agree - I'd rather spend my APs on a rifle.

It could be offset by a "headshot" - because of the accuracy of the bow or crossbow, you get a 3% chance of a 10HP hit to your victim.

If that was the case I'd give a crossbow a go every now and again for that windfall attack bonus.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2007, 12:01:44 PM »

I am no good with maths and numbers so I hoped someone would work on a way to improve my fairly random choice of numbers so that them a viable weapon choice but not overpowering everything else.
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