Meat's view on cheating in gaming

[oldmeatwadjm]

Cheating is for weaklings, if you have to cheat to win in gaming you are weak.

[Johnny Hobo]

How do you win in a non-linear game with no true goal?

[oldmeatwadjm]

It is actually very easy, it is all about strategy. If you strategy is good you will win, if it is bad you will lose. There are things you need to be success in an mmo. Be prepared, memorizes your area, little bit pride, and be very cunning. Example: pretend to be a player who is full of himself but actual is weak is one the most effective in making your enemies think you are weak, so when you do strike they won't see it coming. Never go into a battle with just one plan, you should have at least 8 or 9 back ups.

[Neil Tathers]

And bring more than one machete.

They always break when you don't expect them too.

[error]

I thought that either good role playing, being memorable or funny, or you know, just plain having fun was how to win this kind of game. I have won and lost in this game, according to me Last Laugh and Little Bunny Foo Foo are examples of how I've won. I still enjoy playing as these characters. Erich Zann, Danial Tagor, Benjamin Abyll, examples of times that I'd lost. At some point I decided those characters weren't worth playing.

[Dani]

I thought that either good role playing, being memorable or funny, or you know, just plain having fun was how to win this kind of game. I have won and lost in this game, according to me Last Laugh and Little Bunny Foo Foo are examples of how I've won. I still enjoy playing as these characters. Erich Zann, Danial Tagor, Benjamin Abyll, examples of times that I'd lost. At some point I decided those characters weren't worth playing.

Pretty much this. I've 'won' the game with Dani and Mencken, 'lost' with Jeanette Prosper and Ricardo Reis, and in a stalemate with the rest.

[Cobalt Manticore]

What I've been musing over is the Justifications, the Excuses and Escapes the old IC/OOC barrier affords, especially in regards to Alts. How do you know when one Alt isn't Spying for another? How can you tell when they're attacking IC or acting on another Alt's vendetta against another player? How can you tell when one of Your Own Alts is being attacked IC or because another character has found out who all you were? Your Alt just happens to be the closest and handiest representation of you for an enemy to enact vendetta upon? Who is anyone to dictate to anyone else how to RP? Why are we even worried about this? Is it Cheating or Opportunism? Is there any way of telling? Should we simply just fight and fight back? Just some musings.

[error]

If someone isn't staying in character, pretend that that's some weird personality trait. Perhaps the character has another personality. Or maybe it's all some sort of twisted video game and we're all just fictional characters created by people behind computer screens, we dance around for their own amusement.

Oops, I slipped into character there. I was channeling Last Laugh. If I should do that again perhaps we'll need to split this off into an in character thread.

[Mortis]

Depends on just how one cheats. Either way, I don't approve. However it's fairly easy, but only cuz there are programs that can make even the most ignorant people capable of hacking games such as this.

Any other way is even less crafty, and far lower.

[andrewbuff]

how about cheating in games like oblivion? i will read up on the wikia about certain missions, which i definitely deem cheating, but in such a game, if you dont do things exactly as the programmers...programmed, you can face some real in-game problems, game freezing, or other getting stuck in one place type scenerios. a sandbox game like shartak, i dont feel like i need to cheat in, but for games like fallout or oblivion, its not so offensive to me, especially since im the only non-npc in the game. bad tatics, or poor sportsmanship, in games like call of duty i sometimes think of as cheating. camping, spawn raping or noob tubing can be really unfair and annoying but still, i think it speaks to your ability as a player to combat and counter such actions. i dunno. cheating at a video game can be acceptable, as long as no other real players are getting screwed over in the process.

edit: ive got to say, last laugh...or error, either way, they summed up how my characters see the island, in a way. theyre opinion is shartak is a universe created and filled by gods from a larger universe, who select avatars to represent them in their smaller worlds, be it in a large city, a troical island, space or even...(shudder) a farm. these avatars take aspects of their creators, positive or negative feelings, desires, you know. with this is a 'twins sense' type thing going on, where they can see through the eyes of another or whatever. fluffhead thinks this, but hes too dumb to articulate it. on top of this his mind is so warped from dreams of visions of other lives, his or otherwise, that he normally writes them off as nonsense. plus hes an addict and drunk, so hes not sure on any details. woody just ignores them entirely, chalking then up to 'strange dreams.' obviously, this little post is from 'andrewbuff' whatever or whoever that is!

[KingBiscuit]

I thought that either good role playing, being memorable or funny, or you know, just plain having fun was how to win this kind of game. I have won and lost in this game, according to me Last Laugh and Little Bunny Foo Foo are examples of how I've won. I still enjoy playing as these characters. Erich Zann, Danial Tagor, Benjamin Abyll, examples of times that I'd lost. At some point I decided those characters weren't worth playing.

Pretty much this. I've 'won' the game with Dani and Mencken, 'lost' with Jeanette Prosper and Ricardo Reis, and in a stalemate with the rest.

For what it's worth, I liked Jeanette Prosper. What you were trying to do with her character seemed hard and thankless though. Why'd you end up quitting the character?

[Dani]

KB:

Well, running the bar was kind of boring. I don't think I have the patience to manage one in-game, but it was a good learning experience. By the time Nsoromma got moving I figured there was nothing left for me in Raktam, so as you know, I decided to go on some spirit quest to find an in-game reason why the Throneroom was suddenly much plainer. I had a whole slew of rp logs from the trip down to wiksik to being in the spirit hut and talking to Flex that i never ended up posting (they eventually got lost in my computer), and after a week or so in Wiksik I just got very bored with the whole thing. I went to the ruins near York and set up a cross-shaped hermitage, basically as a checkpoint for Dani to send newbies off for quests, and then that kind of dried up too. So I finally decided to go to Port Breton, dig my own grave (I think there's a signpost up there still), write some PF-era descriptions in each of the rooms, and die. 

The short answer is that I didn't have a good means of gaining xp quickly (I thought combat skills would sully the character) and relying on RP alone wasn't enough.

[oldmeatwadjm]

MMO are very easy, it would be like cheating in harvest moon, pokemons, or RS you are not going to cheat in those. As for single player if you catch the A.I. in act I would see your action is just, I myself on the other hand would not, then again I did beat the toughest games in gaming on the hardest difficulties. I agree, Menken. Jeanette was the worst idea you came up with.

These 3 characters I have in the game: One is an insane shaman, the second is a lazy drunk cop, the third is civilized cannibal who enjoy eating everything he sees in a civilized manor.

There is no chance any of them will come into contact with each other. I admit there is a lot of comedy here.

[Dani]

I agree, Menken. Jeanette was the worst idea you came up with.

Thanks for that. I'm not sure it can touch Elder Shamans of Shartak though. I do like W.A.C.

[Anthor]

I liked Jeanette. I thought it was a good RP.