Re: More Moderators in game

[Solemn]

Enough thread derailment.  It happens enough in bad and good threads alike.  And it magically happens to most of the threads before they're locked lately.  Quiddit.

In-game admins would be lovely.  Back during 2008, I know for sure that it was impartial administration.  Sure, we didn't like the GSUC hounding most of the island, but Simon still worked what he could to focus on the integrity of the game.  We had to weather things out, change our play-styles, RP's, and take screenshots, but he didn't cater to our whims.  He helped during one real-time event that was ruined, punishing those that buggered with a long-advertised event, but that's hardly game-changing and it was an event for OOC fun.

Since coming back, I ended up plopping into a war between folks who I perceived to be Simon's friends, Skullface, Anthor, and Etherdrifter.  When the forum-spying by Anthor and Ether was proven possible, and then later shown more than possible by Ether quoting from the subforum, Simon simply locked down the sub-forum option.  He distanced himself from the in-game bickering, and let clans get their own machinations to keep the integrity of their goings-ons as they saw fit.

That I had no problem with.

When it came to the Meteor, though, it was stacked with ludicrous favoritism.  Later-information showed that Anthor and Ether "knew something would happen around a particular date".  Ether requested a sacred space for the spirit hut around that same time.  He was then given enough notice before the meteorite struck to roleplay it out.  Here, on Shartak, that's big enough to make people do a double-take.  The meteorite itself was a mind-boggling event, as the official reason had been to remove a free custom hut, which when erected, was said to be a gift from Simon directly to Skullface.  If such were the case, why not just change the hut's description and prop up two custom huts as an impartial admin move?  Why drop the equivalent of a nuke on one particular faction's throne?

Recent events surrounding Cy seem to be driven by a latent agenda of an admin and a couple players, as the entire matter I believe she had been banned for occurred back in July and had been eased over for all that time.  I can't see a logical reason that something brushed over to where people could be cordial to one another after could flare up anew at a convenient moment to prompt the actions that have happened recently.

I'm not out to say particular in-game content is A-OK or not.  I could care less.  Shartak functioned with alot less drama when it had twice the game-population and less than half the administration intervention than it does today.  Perhaps we could learn from that.  If the more-active admins are a trend to stay, fine.  At least be unbiased, less controversial, and more transparent.  I get enough yammering in me from TV, the radio, and the papers about corrupt government.  I don't need to see cloak-and-dagger events in how my friggin' game is run.

I've brought alot of folks into Shartak;  Aiden Dakari, Favole, Kataara, Cooks, Zomtard, Noah, Ryanon, Sods, and a slew of others.  Many are looking at the current administration decisions and pondering leaving.  I want to be proud of Shartak like I used to be.  Fix something.  Anything.  Just goddamn fix it.

inb4thelock after a sensible statement.

In regards to this thread alone on IRC:

When Aiden made this very thread:


Shortly after this post was first made:


I expect this behavior from clan leaders when they get troublesome members from time to time.  Not of game makers dealing with their clientele.

2nd Edit:  Not sure why appropriate content was moved from its proper thread, moved to Off Topic, and then the title was changed to "Why jaqs should step down as admin", while the original thread was locked.

I politely request for jaqs to stop fiddling with my posts in an attempt to either make me look bad or focus on the wrong parts of my input.

[jaqs]

Ok.. not quite sure what happened there but I tried to change the topic. Didn't work.

[EDIT] Oh I see.

[Anthor]

Nice, bringing up a lot of crap from previously to back up your ridiculous argument. Same as Aiden, you're not getting what you want so you feel the need to attack the game owners. I can't imagine how anyone cannot see that the end of the line result for this type of behavior. Come on, behave yourselves.

[Aiden Dakari]

Ok.. not quite sure what happened there but I tried to change the topic. Didn't work.

[EDIT] Oh I see.

I like how you change the topic to make yourself look like some kind of martyr or hero...you are neither.

[Solemn]

I know it didn't work, jaqs.  I changed it back.

Anthor, this thread was input on Aiden's.  It was moved, and the title was changed.  All I want is unbiased administration of this game or something to be fixed.  Not the on-the-fly emotional decisions that warranted the locking of multiple threads, the shifting of this thread, and the naming of it to something inflammatory.  Not the hellhole we currently have here on the forums and IRC with people taking sides and all that high-school level bullcrap.  Give me back the Shartak of '08.  Give me back competence.

Relax and take my post for what it is as it fit in the thread, not for what the admin types up the title to be.

[Dani]

I find the seemingly perpetual forum drama around this issue more irritating each day.

On the other hand, while I hate to add voice to the complainers...some of the points these boys are bringing up are pretty legit.

Why has this thread been moved to off-topic? It's not like it can be hidden away. and it very clearly is on topic, with players voicing long-held gripes about how the game is being administered.

Why was the thread split three ways and locked in all but one (this one), when one lock for the derailed thread would have sufficed. Hell, it doesn't even make sense, since Aiden posted the bulk of his arguments in the original thread. for that matter, why are the locked threads in different categories than this one? 

I'm not even going to go there with the changed title. Didn't see it, don't know what happened. Also not going to go there with jaqs seemingly breaking into an incoherent rant about CyAdora. IRC can be deceptive, and the information could've been manipulated by either one of you. don't know, don't particularly care, but as it looks now it's damned odd.

I have no new point here. I'm just summarizing a few of the arguments Solemn and Aiden made based on empirical observation of the available material. We might quibble about their conclusions, their self-righteous rhetoric--but their observations cannot be denied. They got a right to be pissed off, Anthor.

[jaqs]

I am afraid it was split into three topics and moved into off topic because I am terrible at using the controls on this forum. It was a technical issue not an editorial comment.

I apologize for the topic changing, however. It does appear to me now to have been overly dramatic. We all have our moments.


Jaqs

[jaqs]

Since you brought it up. I will not say what I have already said before about the Wiksik drama. I will let whoever might be interested read it for themselves.

http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,2823.0.html

[Solemn]

Why was the thread split three ways and locked in all but one (this one), when one lock for the derailed thread would have sufficed. Hell, it doesn't even make sense, since Aiden posted the bulk of his arguments in the original thread. for that matter, why are the locked threads in different categories than this one?  

I'm not even going to go there with the changed title. Didn't see it, don't know what happened. Also not going to go there with jaqs seemingly breaking into an incoherent rant about CyAdora. IRC can be deceptive, and the information could've been manipulated by either one of you. don't know, don't particularly care, but as it looks now it's damned odd.

I have no new point here. I'm just summarizing a few of the arguments Solemn and Aiden made based on empirical observation of the available material. We might quibble about their conclusions, their self-righteous rhetoric--but their observations cannot be denied. They got a right to be pissed off, Anthor.

jaqs wanted it moved, and so she did.  I didn't want to be center-stage, but she's apparently felt that I need to be, so I don't very well know why I've been singled out compared to every other Tomn, ClickClick, and Gorry Louis on the island.

Changed title can be seen here:



In regards to the IRC, those are screenshots, not quotes.  So unless I break out the photoshop, which I've never done in 2 years and don't even know how to use, and lie to the general public, something else I've never done and would warrant jaqs' rightful admin wrath.  That is the truth, and if you want the logs of what happened, you can ask them from jaqs or Anthor.  Speaking of Anthor, you might want to unban Aiden soon, as you -did- ban him from IRC on your own personal whim and judgement rather than a TOS violation.

I just hope I don't go for a smoke and find this in three more threads, all locked.

[jaqs]

All bans were lifted from IRC earlier today.

[Solemn]

All bans were lifted from IRC earlier today.

Good show.

[Bobby the Hatchet]

The creators can do whatever they feel is necessary. The meteor was bull:palm: and I still avoid IRC like the plague, but I can roll with that.

Also, this thread here: http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,3161.0.html in which E.V.A. clearly complains about CyAdora's character, Britney Spears, text-raping her with various gropings and comings on panties, which has also been recently censored, leads one to believe that there is more to this story than a simple spiritual titty-wanking and a personal grievance. Where there's smoke, there's fire and where there's fire, someone's been playing with matches for a while. E.V.A. was being polite in leaving out the culprit and now she's taking a break over the whole thing, but I'm tired of this . A month long ban is merciful if you ask me. If a male character text-raped some random, new female character and came all over her, he'd be nailed to a tree and the fact that half of you blindly defend this sort of with your ignorance disgusts me.

I don't care how long I've been friendly with any of you or how long you've played the game, if I catch any single one of you meddling in this text-rape you're dead. And don't send me any more slanted PMs trying to rally me against personal injustice when you're so blatantly in the wrong, chickenhawking on new girls.

[Solemn]

To clarify my entire point, I couldn't give two flips over who was right, wrong, or whatever else verdict in that entire fiasco.  I have a plethora of venues to vent anything such as that, just like every other human being.  I get by just fine without it on Shartak.  None of my characters are oriented around it.

What I dislike is how each thing is handled in an unprofessional manner, from an IC war to an OOC disgust, and dredges up untold amounts of drama.  I hate martyr complexes and publicity stunts.  They're despicable, annoying, and they seem to be either whole-heartedly encouraged or shut down with little explanation except some higher up's whim.

I've had four of my friends throw up their hands at this game in less than two weeks.  I just want competence when it comes to running this game, so I won't have to worry about anyone getting on anyone's bad side and someone's bad day turns into something happening akin to the meteor again.

[Bobby the Hatchet]

This is why I'm all about public exposure. Sounds harsh, but I think a lot of this drama stems from no one really knowing what's going on and hearing bits and pieces here or there. If someone's zerging, we ought to know. If someone's text-raping, we ought to know. If they're not going to be banned than I'm likely going to hunt them. Silence isn't going to stop the mob, as we've already seen.

We've got a player that's frustrated enough to silently leave after a text-rape being poorly handled and the culprit practically being backed by the forum community. That tells me that something's wrong. The forum's word means very little to me. In Urban Dead, if a zerging or text-raping occurs and is reported, you become Kill On Sight by the community and are generally a social pariah, wild-west style. Here, it seems like a meteor hits or you get Sacred Space and then no one likes to talk about it.

We need some standards and some black and white and if warnings aren't heeded, the forum community ought not try to bully admins into withholding punishment. Banning sucks, no one likes to see fellow players go, but we need big daddy with the belt sometimes, otherwise we'll be getting away with murder. If I were to warn someone over and over again over the same incidents, making changes to the game to accommodate them and then have them continually push their luck and question me on the letter of the law while manipulating public opinion against me, I'd crush them.

[Mortis]

This is why I'm all about public exposure. Sounds harsh, but I think a lot of this drama stems from no one really knowing what's going on and hearing bits and pieces here or there. If someone's zerging, we ought to know. If someone's text-raping, we ought to know. If they're not going to be banned than I'm likely going to hunt them. Silence isn't going to stop the mob, as we've already seen.

We've got a player that's frustrated enough to silently leave after a text-rape being poorly handled and the culprit practically being backed by the forum community. That tells me that something's wrong. The forum's word means very little to me. In Urban Dead, if a zerging or text-raping occurs and is reported, you become Kill On Sight by the community and are generally a social pariah, wild-west style. Here, it seems like a meteor hits or you get Sacred Space and then no one likes to talk about it.

We need some standards and some black and white and if warnings aren't heeded, the forum community ought not try to bully admins into withholding punishment. Banning sucks, no one likes to see fellow players go, but we need big daddy with the belt sometimes, otherwise we'll be getting away with murder. If I were to warn someone over and over again over the same incidents, making changes to the game to accommodate them and then have them continually push their luck and question me on the letter of the law while manipulating public opinion against me, I'd crush them.

I completely agree. Sometimes I read the goings on of this forum and think to myself "This is appalling." Frankly, this place shocks me, quite often really, when it comes to things such as this. We are a strange, dare I say vile, community indeed.