ACID Alliance

[Foo]

...are you an ACID leader?

[Etherdrifter]

The GSUC was supposed to be a clan for Outsider rps and most of its members stick to that, though more often than not their rps are ruined by griefers and players who blatantly alt abuse.

Really?  As far back as I remember most of its clan members never rped and referred to the rp community as "beardos".  Still I might be wrong since DLC's journal entries were nice to read while he kept them up and Bahl keeps pretty well IC...

"Then again that man in a wig in the judges seat might just be a transvestite who wandered in out of the rain.  Snap judgements can be so unfair."

[Iceman]

I'm sorry, but I really must interject at this point. I consider myself neutral in the whle GSUC vs. KOS thing, since there are people in both groups that I like, and both sides were blatantly committing the same acts as they were complaining about the other perpetrating. But the hyposcrisy of Billy's last statement is too much, considering Stan had three alts disabled following blatant zerging in the Royal Court Throne Room.

[Iceman]

But he didn't stop, and he was back and playing a part in the clan as Stan667 within days. That's the whole point, regardless of whether he's realised the error of his ways - a very large percentage of those involved in the seemingly endless "they cheat and we don't" arguments are ignoring their own or their associates misdemeanours whilst making a song-and-dance about other people doing exactly the same. If they can't be honest with their peers, they could at least be honest with themselves.

[Etherdrifter]

*Smiles*

Iceman has hit the nail on the head.  More power to him.

[Iceman]

And before you go mouthing off, I still remember Nicol - Nicol 3 of the Pwotters, and I don't doubt there were others.

Exactly, I know what I'm talking about. The main difference here though, is that that was a group of people who had little or no experience of MMORPG's and the accompanying conventions and traditions, and were primarily in it for :palm:s and giggles - whereas this latest :palm:fest is quite the opposite. No-one likes to admit that they've made themselves look stupid, but the sooner the main antagonists in this business do, the sooner it'll end. Some of them might have the excuse of being kids, but most ought to know better, whatever their age.

As for Stan, yes he was, his posts are on the Greater York forum, and regardless of his clan tag, he's quite obviously still following the same goals as the Coalition. Which in itself I couldn't care less about, but again, people need to start looking at the glass walls of their own houses before they start polishing up their throwing-stone collection.

[Skull Face]

I'm with Foo and Twist on this one. The poll is imbalanced and I'd say that the clan seems biased. In otehr circumstances I'd applaud the anti-zerg efforts.

I'm sure there are members of the KOS who do not zerg (e.g. Rachel Stone). They're not all d*cks like Anthor. Yet here those KOS persons are attacked because of "guilt by association"?

Let me demonstrate where the anti-KOS stance of this clan is highly selective:









Here we have Billfred operating a York alt called Getsome Food and reporting to the York / GSUC forums where he has GSUC member status.



Here we have Billfred reporting to the New York forums via his native alt.

Operating one or more characters towards the same goal is zerging. Based on this publicly available material you have a member of the Defender Corps of York / Order of Patriots who also operates a member of Les Haitiens and reports for both to the GSUC boards to further the GSUC / pro-York aims.



Here we have Saracen with member status of the same forums.

If we apply the "guilt by association" argument here then all members of those boards and clans are guilty by association with Billfred. And that includes you Saracen / Cheesesteak. Your otherwise impressive Shartak stats table performance begins to look a bit suspect when you have member status to a private forum that includes this level of cheating in the public areas, hmm?

And this is based on a quick search. We could also get into the fact that just prior to Sam's disappearance members of the 1st Colonial Milita were cursed for zerging. Or we could discuss the zerg attacks made by well-known GSUC members. All of which you seem to conveniently ignore.

So if you want to convince me Saracen, let me see your arguments why you yourself, the GSUC and other pro-York clans are not guilty of cheating. Or would you prefer to dismiss this and pretend it doesn't apply?

Pop quiz. What's a nine letter descriptive word for someone who selectively accuses others of behaviour to which they themselves are party?? I'll give you one of the 9 letters to start you off:

_ _ _ O _ _ _ _ _

[Etherdrifter]

*Raises an eyebrow at skulls post*

Well I knew corruption was rife but I didn't quite realise it had got that bad...

Also for the pop quiz :-

Bi-

Oh wait that's 8 letters ^_^;;

[Neil Tathers]

I love how people assume the Machetti's were zergs.

[Skull Face]

I'm not attacking you Billfred (although it's a bit depressing to find that stuff about you). I'd rather I had found someone other than you on the GSUC forums to make my point.

What I'm pointing out is that Saracen's anti-zerg posturing is exceedingly selective. He's quite happy to tar all members of the KOS as zergs without a second thought as to who they are and how they actually play. At the same time he's hanging around a forum with a bunch of very suspect players. Follow the argument.

(BTW that York forum is appalling. The abuse dished out there is ridiculous.)

Regards the 1st Colonial Militia, no need to take a look. It was Simon who confirmed that they had been cursed. Cut-and-paste of the IRC logs is available.

As for accusations against me, fire away, but put the (alleged) evidence elsewhere please rather than derailing this discussion. Not only am I comfortable about how I play the game to the spirit of the ToS by keeping my alts apart and distinct, I've had some small input into the anti-zerg tools. My attitude towards cheating is far more extreme than that of the game developer who seems to like giving players multiple chances to abuse the service. If I was moderating the Shartak game Anthor and a whole host of people would have had all their accounts locked out a long time ago. I'm also prepared to bet that when it comes to debating, sophistry and obfuscation I'm in a different league from you

[Anthor]

They're not all d*cks like Anthor.

Seriously not appreciated, Skull.

If I was moderating the Shartak game Anthor and a whole host of people would have had all their accounts locked out a long time ago.

And just to clarify, I do not have any alts. Only Anthor. I voluntarily asked Simon to disable all of my alts in an attempt to stop all the zerging allegations. Obviously, that was stupid of me because the allegations, harassment and personal attacks continue. No wonder so many good people have left the game.

[Inoffensive Content]

Operating one or more characters towards the same goal is zerging. Based on this publicly available material you have a member of the Defender Corps of York / Order of Patriots who also operates a member of Les Haitiens and reports for both to the GSUC boards to further the GSUC / pro-York aims.

With that logic Skull, wouldn't that have made FAD a zerger at one point with the Raktam affair, or the Shivering Timbers franchise by CyAdora? And need I remind you a good lot of the Royal Court have alts in the Creedy Republic and Kingdom of Skulls? In that effect, you are also a zerger due to a good margin of your characters being interrelated with the Commonwealth, who indeed do work for a common goal. Glass houses and all of that...

Zerging would be exemplified in attacking the same character with two or more alts in the same time frame, as listed in the Terms of Service, healing/giving your alts items. Too bad there is no ecumenical council on fair play rules, or this would make my job a lot easier. Did I call KOS a clan of zergs and cheaters? No, and you know I didn't, if Simon isn't confirming anything, then any evidence is purely circumstantial, but because their leader continues to associate with confirmed cheaters such as pH, who are being cursed egregiously, for the reasons above, then that means they approve of lowly tactics. Hence "incorrigible doormats". When Simon, who is very much laissez-faire when it comes to dodgy behavior and cheating, states facts on IRC, instead of hearsay and speculation by player A and B, then that's what I'm focused on prosecuting. As far as the 1CM is concerned, Sammo Alexander has been inactive for some time, but when exactly did Simon state they were being cursed?

By the way Skull, I don't cheat, I may be a prick at times, but you know I'm extreme in my fashion of gameplay. The York forum isn't private, I don't have any private access whatsoever, it's a public forum. If you want exclusivity in a forum, just go to the Raktam boards or the KOS subforum on this website.

In short, I'm not calling clan A or clan B zergers or cheaters until Simon confirms that they are. Any bull:palm: that's been going on between the GSUC and KOS should be dealt between them, but if Simon should so intervene and confirm that one or both groups are at fault, then expect ACID intervention. And if the community starts to prefer cheaters who pretend to be our friends over brutally honest pricks, then we've really gone to hell.

[Sods]

Arguments over zerging have prevented my Shartak fix in the past. Can all of these conversations be left the hell alone? Seriously.

[Wulla-mullung]

Arguments over zerging have prevented my Shartak fix in the past. Can all of these conversations be left the hell alone? Seriously.

Agreed. This thread is in fact, causing the "bulls---" instead of doing the job it is supposed to prevent.

Misguided witchhunts only lead to something getting ruined. By all means, set up a zerg liste (of confirmed characters). But yapping over something in which you have no control over is pointless. Use feedback.

[Foo]

In short, I'm not calling clan A or clan B zergers or cheaters until Simon confirms that they are.

So, while we are at developer exegesis, where exactly says Simon that pH is a clan of zergers?