ACID Alliance

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Anti-Cheaters and Incorrigible Doormats Alliance

The ACID alliance is a coalition serving as a remedy against cancerous groups that only exist to grief, cheat, and ruin the game for everyone else playing. That means you, pH. ACID is also against clans that support said cancerous groups--call it guilt by association. That means you, KOS.

If you care for the holistic health of Shartak, you will join or support this clan. If you condone and support zerging amongst other unfair methods of gameplay, then by all means get back to pandering to pH. Stop the bulls---, bring back the game!

It is now up to you, the average Shartakian player, to determine the fate of the game. Will you support ACID?

>Yes, I support this clan's extremist ideas, but it's the only way to band up against the idiotic cheaters!
>No, I enjoy the company of pH and the like, they're nice to me!

[Anthor]

I totally disagree with you Steak, but I'm glad you're doing something in game against pH rather than continuing arguments in the forum. And as for the KOS... bring it on.

[Foo]

What happens when an ACID-member is caught cheating, griefing or ruining the game 

[Iceman]

Hurrah! Finally, someone taking positive, non-confrontational, non-provocative action to make the game and forum a better place. I can't see how this could possibly not work, or end badly.

[Solemn]

You're forgetting the just as annoying other third of the cruddy triangle.

[Etherdrifter]

I am against cheating.  However I do not think it is fair to single out just PH and the KOS.

The KOS was supposed to be a clan for darker rps and most of its members stick to that, though more often than not their rps are ruined by griefers and players who blatantly alt abuse.

PH are still new to the game and overall are decent people (from my contact with them).  Screaming abuse at them and trolling their posts is probably not the best way to solve issues of fair play, indeed it is simply likely to make it worse.  Kind pms and requests for fair play are much more likely to succeed.

Other than the two clans you have named you have not spoken out openly about other organisations known to zerg and alt abuse openly, perhaps something you might want to take into consideration if the ball for this gets rolling?  It would also be wise to give clear definitions on cheating, griefing and ruining the game.

Best of luck to you and while I will not support you in victimising clans like PH and the KOS (or even GSUC for that matter) I do hold strong views on fair play and have actively enforced them within the NG.

[kill thrill]

I'm glad that the attitudes on this forum have been shifting the last several months. pH is going down, the slimy panderers are next

[chicopHino]

Finally, some action instead of running around the forum like a headless chicken. I hope this initiative has a lot of support. We'll be waiting for you in Rakmogak, ladies.

pH is going down

Do you have any idea of how wrong is that affirmation?

[Solemn]

pH is going down, the slimy panderers are next

* Solemn facepalms.

[Anthor]

I voted no in the poll, even though it's slanted so you can't vote for no cheating unless you also vote for joining ACID.

I sincerely feel that you CAN support pH as a friendly group of people without necessarily condoning the cheating of a few individuals.

[AlexanderRM]

I voted no in the poll, even though it's slanted so you can't vote for no cheating unless you also vote for joining ACID.

I sincerely feel that you CAN support pH as a friendly group of people without necessarily condoning the cheating of a few individuals.

Actually, I was under the impression that we were allied with pH on the basis that they were the lesser of two evils, and that we would tolerate their zerging because we had to fight GSUC... only we have to pretend to actually like them in order to be allies... oh, wait...

Yeah, you gotta love these biased polls. 

What happens when an ACID-member is caught cheating, griefing or ruining the game 

All the anti-ACID people are confirmed in what they were already certain of, and all the ACID people pretend it didn't happen. Any in-betweens most likely won't be changed from whatever in-between state they were before. Basically some anti-ACID people will get a good laugh, all of them people who were already certain of that as a plural "and" statement. (rather than a singular "or" statement)

I'm glad that the attitudes on this forum have been shifting the last several months. pH is going down, the slimy panderers are next

You, my friend, are clearly very out of touch with reality. I take it you haven't been on the forums for awhile?
In fact, the only people to support ACID currently (thus far you and IO) had been anti-pH since pH came here and I somehow doubt that this is going to change anytime soon.

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There is no neutral ground for views on affirmed cheaters; you're either for cheating or against cheating.

If a large margin of a large clan is confirmed by Simon himself to being cursed egregiously, to the point of forcing Simon to implement new anti-zerging methods i.e. paralysis, that clan is definitely doing something wrong, and if notable members of that band of cheaters are arrogant and unapologetic about their cheating, and a majority of this community tolerates that, then it's no wonder Shartak's been f---ed up. It doesn't help when the clan that's been claiming victimization to griefers and OOC attacks allies with a cheating clan, either.

[snico]

I voted no in the poll, even though it's slanted so you can't vote for no cheating unless you also vote for joining ACID.

I sincerely feel that you CAN support pH as a friendly group of people without necessarily condoning the cheating of a few individuals.

I agree that it is a slanted poll, even if it is slanted towards my opinions 

But honestly, IF pH was playing the game honestly, i'd think they were pretty cool (i was actually a member when they first came around).  Unfortunately I don't see them changing their ways, and I almost can't blame them since it's getting them pretty far.  For me, I vote for the support of ACID simply because I do believe this game is more about the rping than the leveling up.  It was fine when we could do this without being interrupted by a group of abusers, but now it seems the rules and consequences in place are not enough to keep the game going the way it's meant to. 

Not to mention, pH's is usually pretty annoying    No offense, they just are 

[Buttercup]

There is no neutral ground for views on affirmed cheaters; you're either for cheating or against cheating.

I am for Shartak being a community that is basically civil towards each other. I am for people being able to enjoy the game (or forums, or IRC). I am for Shartak being successful. I am concerned about cheating to the extent that it interferes with that.

I did not vote in the poll.

[Foo]

Why should I trust ACID to not cheat? There was no reply to my earlier question and I think it is a valid one. Lets assume someone really bitter (see the lemon) joins your clan and decides to cheat (Hey, *they* do it, too!). Taking the high road is nice and everything, but what do you do to back your claims?